Clinton supporters we have progressive choices

Let us not be misled into believing that Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain are our choices come November. After the powerful DNC member (who is blocking FL) and prominent Obama supporter, Donna Brazile, openly declared on CNN that they dont need support of HISPANICS and white working class voters (and I assume by extension fervent Clinton supporters); there is no point in wasting our precious vote. Those who do not want our vote are not going to be looking for our interests at all. So, come November, remember that Sen Obama and Sen McCain are not our only choices. We have two very powerful advocates of progressive politicians running for President. They both support Universal Health Care, are strongly pro-choice, have a long history of fighting for Core progressive values. I speak of Ralph Nader and Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney.  Indeed, Cynthia McKinney has also done that rare thing that Sen. Obama has not done- voted against FUNDING the war. So, when those obnoxious Sen. Obama supporters challenge you ``so you are going to vote for Sen. McCain'', just turn around and say, ``nope, we have real choices come November.''



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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (2.00 / 6)

These diaries are getting ridiculous.

We don't care how you want to destroy this country.  By voting for John McCain or by wasting your Vote.  Just stop writing diaries about it.


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by cardboard 1 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:11:41 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

Hey, welcome back...I didn't even realize your account had disappeared (intentionally or not) until someone linked to rfahey's diary about it the other day. Glad you haven't been banned.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:25:46 PM EST
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There's also this Nader guy, (2.00 / 3)

you should probably look into it.


by McNasty on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:12:23 PM EST

Supreme Court (2.00 / 6)

Please, vote for McKinney - President John McCain will thank you. I'm sure your hurt feelings are far more important than a woman's right to choose.


by SupremeCourt on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:14:29 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (2.00 / 4)

Ralph will welcome you with open arms?

But, boy, if Obama's ego bothers you, good luck with Ralph?


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:14:37 PM EST

I would write in the name of my dog! (none / 0)

She has been such a great friend and wonderful companion past 10 years.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:22:23 PM EST
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Re: I would write in the name of my dog! (2.00 / 1)

I'm ok with this, so long as your dog is named "Barack Obama - Democrat." :)


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by freedom78 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:24:39 PM EST
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Re: I would write in the name of my dog! (none / 0)

My dog's name is Nobama.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:27:03 PM EST
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Re: I would write in the name of my dog! (2.00 / 1)

Uh-oh.  Careful...they'll soon be calling your dog N'Osama bin Doggin.


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by freedom78 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:32:10 PM EST
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Re: I would write in the name of my dog! (none / 0)

You owe me a new keyboard...


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:37:52 PM EST
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Re: I would write in the name of my dog! (none / 0)

I'll be here all week, folks!


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by freedom78 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:54:07 PM EST
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Re: I would write in the name of my dog! (none / 0)

PTHHHH!!!

HILARIOUS!


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:39:52 PM EST
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Re: I would write in the name of my dog! (none / 0)

My Dog is a Black Lab, and, according to DiamondJay, he is supporting Obama because of his color?

Actually, it's because I named all the Tennis balls "Barack Balls!" and when I show them to him, he wags his tail!

A bribe, sure, but by what-ever-means-neccessary?


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:46:04 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (2.00 / 3)

I can't believe you still use that Brazile line.

That spat is played all over the MSM to prove that it was Begala
who made a complete fool of himself. Pretty pathetic that you think latinos worship at the alter of Hillary.


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:17:35 PM EST

Particularly pathetic (none / 0)

Considering Hillary's recent rural white Tom Joad schtick.  Smells kinda Minuteman-ish to me.


by JJE on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:26:54 PM EST
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The difference between an Obama vote (2.00 / 3)

and a non-Obama/non-McCain vote is half a vote for McCain.

Can you really afford 8 more years of Bush policies?

If so, you're probably upper-middle/upper class.


by bobdoleisevil on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:21:05 PM EST

Re: The difference between an Obama vote (1.00 / 0)

I think Nobama is more like Bush.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:25:43 PM EST
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Supreme Court (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry your preferred candidate probably won't win. Mine didn't either. But we're choosing the next president of the united states, so your feelings really don't matter.

Why don't you think about your ridiculous statement for a little bit, then try growing the hell up.


by SupremeCourt on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:30:33 PM EST
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yep! (none / 0)

I thought I was the only one mentioning that in recent days.  I usually put it in comments titled "President McCain thanks you".


by N in Seattle on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:31:30 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

Yep.  They're always so limiting, aren't they?  A false choice of only between two.

Lets hope we won't have to make that choice.


by LindaSFNM on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:23:12 PM EST

Supreme Court (none / 0)

When your grandchildren ask you why the supreme court legalized torture, will you still think the choice between Obama and McCain is a false choice?

Grow up.


by SupremeCourt on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:31:57 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (2.00 / 6)

BRAZILE: Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you're looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Please note, if you would, that she said that the new coalition isn't JUST white blue-collar workers.

JUST
JUST
JUST
JUST

She didn't say that they weren't needed or wanted.  Please, god, PLEASE read and get the quote right!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:24:04 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

please stop with your facts and logic!


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:29:39 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (2.00 / 2)

Good point.  It's about expanding the coalition, not about doing away with the old in favor of the new.  

And we SHOULD be trying to expand!  

But beyond that, we need to get as many working class voters as we can.  Most people ARE working class...if they ALL voted, we'd already have universal healthcare, better maternity leave policies, better wages, less pandering to corporate overlords.  People have the power, if they just have the sense to take it.


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by freedom78 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:30:41 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

I don't know that the "just" makes it any better. And its clearly an inaccuarat statemetn, since we haven't "Just" relied on white middle class voters, as blacks have been an essential part of our coaltion too.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:40:57 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

She was responding to the point that somehow white working class people are the most important group in the universe.

Guys, we've jumped the shark as a party if all we can do is try to rate the comparative value of ethnic groups to the electoral math.

We want as many voters as possible.  And that's what Ms. Brazile was saying.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:45:23 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

No one's making the claim that they are the most importan group in the universe. They are saying that it's very hard to win without enough of their support added to the rest of our coaltion.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:47:36 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

Ms. Brazile didn't contradict that point.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:49:22 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

she did make a 100% inacccurate statemetn that we had relied "Just" on working class white voters.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:51:31 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

She didn't "state" that.  At worst, she implied it.  And she was responding to what Begala had just said.

Christ, people, THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE SAID!  Her point, as best I can tell, is that this notion that working class white people are the only demographic we need to worry about is nuts.

She also asked him to stop putting everyone into "these little groups."  And now you imply she's doing the same.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:01:42 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

Of cousre she said that. You even provided the quote, to wit:

Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you're looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater"

When has the Democratic party ever relied or even claimed it relied or tried to rely on just those two groups.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:06:19 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

I'm looking at the same quote you are.  Her point was that some people are being dismissive of other demographics.  One of those people is Paul Begala.  That person was in the same room as her.  That person had been spouting off stuff that was dismissive of these other demographics.  HIS implication was that blue collar whites were paramount, and she responded.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:13:34 PM EST
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I totally agree that under no circumstances (2.00 / 0)

should anyone vote for McCain. The best reason I can think of is to insure he'll only get a plurality of votes rather than a majority should he win. And even if he does win, the Democratic majority in Congress will increase come November, effectively keeping him in check with regard to Supreme Court appointments, funding the war, etc.


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:25:50 PM EST

Re: I totally agree that under no circumstances (none / 0)

I am tired of hearing about the Supreme Court.

And we ridicule Republicans for voting on social issues...


by Dave B on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:35:23 PM EST
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The Good Old Days (none / 0)

Remember the good old days when areyouready and other Clinton supporters used to call us Obama supporters Naderites?


by Hatch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:38:56 PM EST

Re: The Good Old Days (none / 0)

I know.  I thought today was a "he's too liberal" day, but apparently its a "he's a stealth Republican" day.  Who knew?

If some Clinton supporters here want to go support McKinney or Nader, I say best of luck.  I really don't think that it will make the difference either way between having them sullenly supporting Obama or eagerly for whoever.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:43:01 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (2.00 / 1)

Why do alleged democrats post clownish diaries like this. I'm a Hillary supporter but if she doesn't get the nod I'm going to vote for Obama. I don't think he's the best candidate of the two but he will have won the nomination and that's that. This sort of stuff is incredibly juvenile.  


by ottovbvs on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:41:01 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

"Indeed, Cynthia McKinney has also done that rare thing that Sen. Obama has not done-"

What's that?  Punched a cop?

Why yes, yes she has.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:46:50 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

This probably coming from the same person who would quickly chastise people for talking about Teddy Kennedy's Chappaqudick incident.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:53:13 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

Pardon me?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:02:32 PM EST
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Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

I don't like, but respect, someone voting Green or Nader if the Dem nominee isn't progressive enough for them. But doing that because of what windbag Donna said is ridiculous.

Small consolation, but Democratic defectors do less harm going third party than they would by voting McSame.


by Michael Begala on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:52:12 PM EST

Re: Clinton supporters we have progressive choices (none / 0)

So you want to see President mcCain?


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:55:38 PM EST

I am voting for Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

if she is not on my ballot, I will write her name in.


by nikkid on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:55:55 PM EST

anyone (none / 0)

wanting to know more about cynthia mc kinney should watch the documentry "american blackout".

it documents, among other things, the many scams that led to the w "victory" in 2000, and how the democrats in congress pretty much bent over and allowed the biggest fuck up in american history.

she is a champion in my book.

(who of us hasn't punched a cop...or wanted to once in a while)


by citizendave on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:56:46 PM EST

Re: Gore in 2000 (none / 0)

So you would rather have McCain be president, is that what I'm hearing?  

Didn't we learn anything in 2000?  In that election, a vote for Nader was a vote to get Bush elected.  Because, oh yeah, "there's no difference between Bush and Gore".

How's that one working out for ya?

Please, for the love of god - vote Democrat

P.S. this is one HISPANIC who will be pulling the lever for Obama come November!!


by lmalave on Fri May 09, 2008 at 05:36:52 PM EST

You misquoted Donna Brazille but I assume (none / 0)

you know that.  She actually said this, ""Paul, baby," Ms. Brazile, who is undeclared, began her response, "we need to not divide and polarize the Democratic Party. . . . So stop the divisions. Stop trying to split us into these groups, Paul, because you and I know . . . how Democrats win, and to simply suggest that Hillary's coalition is better than Obama's, Obama's is better than Hillary's -- no. We have a big party, Paul." And: "Just don't divide me and tell me I cannot stand in Hillary's camp because I'm black, and I can't stand in Obama's camp because I'm female. Because I'm both. . . . Don't start with me, baby." Finally: "It's our party, Paul. Don't say my party. It's our party. Because it's time that we bring the party back together, Paul."


by mishiem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 06:35:37 PM EST


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