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On the VP nominees

by ann0nymous, Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:30:05 PM EST

The more I think about it, I think Obama should pick up somebody who is well-versed in economics and has had some executive experience. In my opinion, economy and not foreign affairs will be the determining force in November. Obama's foreign policy is fine as it is.

Also, I am not enthused by the so-called foreign policy expert Joe Biden. He may know a lot and have been around for some time; but frankly his solutions to foreign policy crises are usually not upto the mark. A case in point is his ``divide Iraq into three pieces.''

I think he should look towards some governor. Rendell comes to my mind. He literally turned around the economy of Philadelphia and has managed Pennsylvania fairly well. There should be other options also. But the gist of my line of thought is that Obama does not need a foreign policy expert. He is already one. What he needs is a economy expert which will also help him govern well.

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The press seems to like Rendell, kind of a stand-up guy.

I'm not sure the Press and Public agrees with your contention that "obama is a foriegn policy expert" in the polls, that is where he polls behind McCain....

He's ahead on most domestic and economic issues.

Which shows you what polls know, anyone that thinks McCain is a foreign policy expert has had too many bar-beque sandwitches at the ranch with John and Cindy....

But, the Pundits are also reinforcing the meme, so it's a self fufilling prophecy at this point?

I think Biden or Wes Clark (whom Jerome has now written off it seems as not in contention) give Obama some cover there.

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:36:21 PM EST

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Rendell couldn't stay on message if his life depended on it. By his own admission he is a loose cannon waiting to fire.

Hey and this isn't a slam, I like the guy, but the VP has to really stay on message.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:40:09 PM EST

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I agree during the primaries he had the chutzpah to claim all of Obama's young supporters are kool aid drinkers. The guy doesn't know when to keep his trap shut.

by hocuspocus on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:25:06 PM EST
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The VP will be Biden. I am almost certain of it. Yesterday Biden's son left his job on the Hedge Fund company that he and his uncle co-own. Today Biden wrote a great article in the FT. Today Biden was the representative for Obama with the National Firefighters Union in Las Vegas.

by Spanky on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:49:25 PM EST

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Well, I did a diary yesterday, somehow I suspect you could be correct.

Biden seems like a good compromise candidate, not my first or second, but not at the bottom (Evan Bayh...I have candles that are more exciting...)

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:51:30 PM EST
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That's too bad. What does he add?

He doesn't reinforce Obama's "change" message.

As a Northeastern liberal Senator, he doesn't add to the electability of the ticket, either in a particular state, or region, or nationally.

As a rival to Clinton in the primaries who went on to endorse Obama, he doesn't really add anything in particular in overcoming that divide in the party (other than perhaps, due to his age and experience, easing concerns among elder voters).

Yes, he should be a good attacker. And yes, he has a wealth of experience. But otherwise it doesn't make sense.

by markjay on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:57:07 PM EST
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Nobody really does (none / 0)

there is no real perfect pick

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:34:41 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton is the perfect pick for VP (2.00 / 2)

There is a perfect pick, and it's Hillary Clinton. His choice of her as VP will do more to unity the party than anyone else.

by zenful6219 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:53:27 PM EST
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No she's not either (none / 0)

she drives independents away, makes him look weak and completely negates his message of change.

I know, I know plenty of indies who are voting for Obama who will sit out the election if she's his running mate.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:10:23 PM EST
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Re: No she's not either (1.00 / 0)

More democrats will sit out if she isn't.

And when its all over you want to go with Indy or Democrats?

by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:02:48 PM EST
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Indys (none / 0)

sorry, that's where elections are won.

BTW, there is no proof more Democrats will sit out than Indys and I couldn't give a shit what you do.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:06:13 PM EST
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Re: Indys (1.00 / 0)

Which is more than I give for what some indy or GOP voters may do.

by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 08:42:37 PM EST
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Re: On the VP nominees (2.00 / 1)

I was wondering when we'd get around to discussing the VP nominees.

rec'd for originality

"But not me personally were those cheers for"

by QTG on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:51:41 PM EST

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LOL

"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."

by vcalzone on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:54:17 PM EST
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Aaaaaaaaagghhhhhh!!!

(runs shrieking from the room.)

by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:18:30 PM EST
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I just wish Gov. Strickland could be talked into the VP slot. He has it all IMO.

by Becky G on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:56:29 PM EST

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He was and he said no.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:02:09 PM EST
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I don't know if he has it all but I think he could deliver Ohio and that would sew up the election.

by msw4477 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:02:23 PM EST
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McBush would surely make an ad of hillary angrily attacking Obama with Strickland standing behind nodding in agreement.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:56:09 PM EST
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He already used (none / 0)

her in an ad.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:10:56 PM EST
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Re: He already used (none / 0)

And now he's using Jabba the Penn's recommendation to attack Obama's patriotism.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:23:31 PM EST
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I tried not (none / 0)

to get my blood boiling over seeing Hillary's "McCain is qualified, Obama is not" statement in his ad...but I sorta wish Hillary would come out condemning the use of her in the ad.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:27:22 PM EST
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Re: I tried not (none / 0)

That was such a "this is going straight into a McCain attack ad" moment. No other utterance from any candidate even comes close.

If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.

by Jess81 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:28:23 PM EST
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For the sake of party unity (none / 0)

I've bit my lip on what I wanted to say when I saw that comment. It was tha moment when I went from not caring who won the nomination to full out supporting Obama.

You never give your mutual opponent ammo, she's not a rookie, she knew that.

Mark Penn, btw, could drop dead for all I care. Hillary does deserve props for not listening to him.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 09:02:59 PM EST
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Experts are Overrated (none / 0)

I would rather have someone with good judgement.

by parahammer on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:57:08 PM EST

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funny how Hillary Clinton keeps popping up as the BEST candidate for the job!!

by nikkid on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:48:04 PM EST

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She did. Where did she pop -up?

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:51:47 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

is short, fat, male, bald, and Jewish now?

by JJE on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:10:08 PM EST
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BEST candidate for the job!! (none / 0)

Only on visits to Fantasy Island.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:05:15 PM EST
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Rendell comes to my mind. (1.00 / 1)

Obama will surely reward someone who who supported him early rather than someone who not only supported hillary, but did so much to hurt him.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:53:48 PM EST

Re: Do people have a right to compete? (none / 0)

Didn't you get banned?

by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:20:03 PM EST
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Depends on what you mean by "young." (none / 0)

Let's just say my first political words were, "I vote for John F. Kennedy!"

It's Politics 101 to put your supporters ahead of your detractors. And if you think Hillary would have picked someone who attacked her in Obama's behalf, you fail.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:01:28 PM EST
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Re: Do people have a right to compete? (none / 0)

I'm not sure what the official policy is, but I presume that once you've been banned from a website, you're not welcome back under any name.

Accordingly, I'm going to hide your comments until you tire of watching them disappear and you just go away.

"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008

by BobzCat on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:30:07 PM EST
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Re: Rendell comes to my mind. (none / 0)

Rendell never said anything that he couldn't walk back.

His help to Hillary Clinton was mostly background - getting the governor in a party machine state is worth a good four or five points.

If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.

by Jess81 on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:30:32 PM EST
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Re: Rendell comes to my mind. (1.00 / 1)

I seem to remember him saying some white people wouldn't vote for Obama.

I really can't see Obama bringing trash like that to the top of his campaign.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 09:02:33 PM EST
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Re: Do people have a right to compete? (none / 0)

Shorter ~~catfish~~ gatopescado

Get off my lawn!!!

Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!

by John in Chicago on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 04:20:44 PM EST
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Biden is a speaker at the convention (none / 0)

Hence, he will not fill the VP time slot

by optimusprime on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 05:42:11 PM EST

Re: Biden is a speaker at the convention (none / 0)

It's funny how such a simple fact can get so overlooked by so many experts.

by Glaurung on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:07:03 PM EST
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Re: Biden is a speaker at the convention (none / 0)

No, that's not necessarily so. As has been reported the convention schedule team and the vp vetting team are totally separate operations. It would be easy to replace a speaker or to make one of the Wednesday speakers the vp nominee.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:42:09 PM EST
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Biden has a lot going for him - See this about his work about violence against women: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/ 151122/662/557/567964

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 06:29:55 PM EST

Obama is a foreign policy expert already? (none / 0)

Then why in the world did he spend all of that money on his 9 day tour when it could have been used closer to the general election? Or is the tour what made him a foreign policy expert?

by georgiapeach on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:08:20 PM EST

Re: Obama is a foreign policy expert already? (none / 0)

awww someone is still bitter!

by hocuspocus on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:17:22 PM EST
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Fits together, don't it? (none / 0)

Bitter? Clinging? Peaches?

http://www.calclingpeach.com/

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:22:30 PM EST
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Me bitter? Naw. I'm a real sweetie. (2.00 / 1)

Barack Obama just doesn't impress me all that much anymore. And it struck me as pretty funny that the talking heads were trying to convince people both during and after his trip that "Barack Obama now has foreign policy credentials that can't be questioned." Kinda sounds like they thought he didn't have any before, but they were firmly convinced that a 9 day tour would bring him up to speed.

by georgiapeach on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 06:26:06 PM EST
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It was a Senate trip (none / 0)

except for Germany.

by parahammer on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:24:03 PM EST
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Re: It was a Senate trip (none / 0)

Stop with the facts, you reality peddler!

On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!

by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:27:31 PM EST
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Re: Obama is a foreign policy expert already? (none / 0)

Well, John McCain's been to Iraq 25 times or something like that and thinks we should be there for the next 100 years, he's been in the Senate nearly 30 years, and he's sorry, but "there will be more wars".
He knows nothing about the economy, nothing about energy, nothing about contraception and nothing about health care.
So what is it about McCain's years of "experience" that appeals to you?

"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC

by skohayes on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:34:38 PM EST
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It's about perception (none / 0)

Obama is right on a lot of foreign policy issues, but does the public perceive him as an "expert?"

by Mayor McCheese on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:28:20 PM EST

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I'm no fan of Joe "you (Clarence Thomas) have the benefit of the doubt" Biden and he's not even in my top 10 choices for Obama's VP, but I do agree that Iraq should divide itself into three nations.

by Drummond on Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 07:54:12 PM EST

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