John AND Elizabeth's Hubris

Elizabeth Edwards was wronged by her husband John.  Big time!

I hope she still takes her good-ol'-boy husband to the woodshed on a daily basis for good-ol'-fashioned whoopin' until she knocks the southern right off his drawl.  

He deserves it!

That said, both John and Elizabeth Edwards owe the Democratic Party an apology.  

Elizabeth knew about John's affair in 2006 prior to launching his Presidential campaign. The fact that they both colluded to lie and cover-up the affair and still go forward with the campaign put the Democrats' chances at winning back the White House at great risk.  Not because of the affair, but because of their complicit dishonesty about it.

John and Elizabeth are both experienced and smart politicians.  Surely they had some inkling about the combustive tinderbox that sex and politics can be.  Knowing about the affair, they should have never embarked upon the campaign knowing that this ticking time bomb was a disaster waiting to happen.

If the old adage, "it ain't the crime, it's the cover-up", is true, then both John and Elizabeth are guilty.



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Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

Dude, everyone knows, so what.

Look at the bright side...Obama's whole vacation will be covered by JE sex scandal, Olympics and the fabulous Hillary taking McCain to the Mattresses.

We are blessed.


by figgy on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:53:03 AM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 3)

This is you response to a traumatic family event?  Seriously?  

At the very least, blaming Elizabeth for anything is beyond the pale.  I find no fault in her deciding to forgive her husband or in their joint decision to continue working for the issues they care about.  I suspect that after her cancer came back in '07, this mistake somehow seemed less important.  Maybe that was politically stupid, but on a human level I think it's quite understandable.

It's worth remembering that at the end of the day politicians are just normal, deeply flawed human beings.  


by HSTruman on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 10:54:13 AM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

kind of sounds like the old "Hillary's to blame because she didn't divorce Bill!" bullcrap.

Begone, diarist.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:05:45 AM EST
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Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

No, this is a different argument - not one I entirely agree with, mind you, but one I'm sympathetic to. It has nothing to do with anything in their relationship; for all we know, their marriage might have been open to this sort of thing. But it was a serious political risk that she had at least something to do with: regardless of how she felt or where their relationship was - which is really none of our business - she had to know this could potentially sink him - and their Democratic agenda - if he won the nomination. As someone who puts getting a Democrat back into the White House above putting any particular Democrat in the White House, that is a very troubling thought to me... The thought that JRE's decision to run (at the very least with EE's OK) could have consigned us to four more years of Bushism under John McCain is really disturbing, and leads me to wonder if JRE ever actually intended to win the nomination or if he was just running to put poverty on the agenda.

Like I said, I don't entirely buy the diarist's argument - she is the victim in this situation, and certainly JRE should bear, and is bearing, the brunt of all the hurt he's caused - but I do see where the diarist is coming from.


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by mistersite on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:51:58 AM EST
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Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

I'm sorry to say, I do agree with the diarist's basic premise. They both knew and took a shot. Not terribly smart. I love Elizabeth to this day and have little anger towards her. That said when the shit began to hit the fan, had they wanted to keep this story quieter, the recurrance of her cancer would have been an unimpeachable reason to leave the race. The choice to stay in was clearly a decision they made together.

So yeah, his is the greater sin, but her desire for privacy and total avoidance of voyeurism seems opportune.


by figgy on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:05:53 AM EST
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Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (1.50 / 2)

Then the same should be said about the Clintons.


by IowaMike on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:47:02 AM EST

Meh. (2.00 / 2)

She married a politician -- she accepted the risk.  Russia just invaded Georgia.  Why are you obsessing over who John Edwards is screwing?


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by username on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 11:49:01 AM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 4)

Wow, I call this righteous indignation.  

It's like people are look for something to get upset about and to rant about when it really was none of our business.  And he did not win the primary.  


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by Ellinorianne on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:34:52 PM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 2)

this diary isn't about feeling bad for Elizabeth. No doubt she deserves our prayers for several reasons. She's an incredible American.  

it is about how if he was the nominee right now, we progressives would all go down with his ship and be stuck with McCain. That they both in full knowledge took this risk on behalf of all of us is the issue. I don't know how mad to be, i am not ready to go all the way of the diarist, but I do think it is disappointing.

and the comparisons to the Clintons is off mark. Bill didn't get caught having an affair two years before running in 92 with Hillary having full knowledge. And last I checked, Hillary didn't have an affair in 2006 either. Quit reaching for the Clintons to explain away people's faults.

Life is complex, the Edwards are great progressives, but I don't like the fact that they gambled with all of our futures.


by vr8e on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:35:14 PM EST

Thanks (none / 0)

You took the time to read and think about the substance of my argument.  I appreciate it.


by BigBoyBlue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:52:50 PM EST
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And.... (none / 0)

If my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle.  He didn't win the primary, it's irrelevant.


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by LtWorf on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:06:49 PM EST
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Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

MAYBE the 'progressives' would be up shit creek as you put it because progressive with this kind of attitude are just as morally uprighteous as the wingers. MAYBE if people minded their own business, then there wouldn't be the issue of having to hide an affair. Maybe with a little less of this attitude there'd be a little less of this problem/risk.

since WHEN is it your business, or anyone's besides the 3 people involved?


by swissffun on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:40:36 PM EST
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Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

The affair in an of itself does not bother me so much as the devastation it might have done to our chances at winning had he been nominated. Imagine this admission so close to a convention speech. THe strogest reactions seem to be coming from the people who thought Edwards could do no wrong and flamed anyone who said otherwise.


by RandyMI on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:35:29 PM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

Just like with Bill Clinton in the 1990s what happens between a married couple during the course of their union is no one's damned business.  No one has the right to judge the Edwardses.


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by LtWorf on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:04:16 PM EST

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I agree with you 100%.  The Edwardses marriage is indeed their own business and I'm not judging their marriage.

However, that has nothing to do with the premise of my diary.


by BigBoyBlue on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:11:14 PM EST
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Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

hubris?   sounds like one diarist is a bit big on him/herself thinking an apology for a 'personal!' affair is owed.    sorry. this kind of moralistic policing is well so.... the OTHER party.


by swissffun on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:36:10 PM EST

The issue isn't the affair; it's his credibility (2.00 / 1)

I agree with the diarist that these things SHOULD be private. Of course, this begs the issue that Edwards didn't actually end the affair in 2006, but was still horsing around with this woman as recently as three weeks ago. If Mrs.Edwards knew that the affair was still going on--and was willing to look the other way--I would find it pathetic, but would still have to say, "it's their business, not mine".

But the reality is that once this behavior becomes public, people who support such a politician are embarrassed, and disillusioned. And when Edwards was actually questioned by people in the media, he would squint, put on that expression of someone caught in a lie, and deny it....just flat out lied. At that point, his credibility--and political career--were shot. People--especially the idealistic ones who had faith in Edwards--have been disappointed by politicians too many times.


by BJJ Fighter on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:40:04 PM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

nothing like a sex scandal to illuminate that some progressives can be just as moralistically backwards as the wingers. I thought 'we' were in the business of electing competent candidates, not puritan litmus-tested candidates.  another very disappointing day to see comrades hurl such piety.


by swissffun on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:43:34 PM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (2.00 / 1)

No poor Elizabeth, she's known since before he started his campaign and she's dissed the other candidates, knowing that her own husband had a 'secret' that would deliver the presidency to the pugs when it came out. were he our candidate. They are both guilty of deceiving his supporters.  He's rich enough, he should refund the money, he ran under false pretenses.

And yet all he had to do was admit it, see if he still had supporters, and not deceived anyone. It's not just the coverup, it's also misleading your supporters, who assume you'll vet yourself, and not throw a wrench into the Democratic Party.

On this one, Elizabeth is as guilty as John, who cares about infidelity, it's about deceiving supporters regarding electability.  


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by anna shane on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 01:56:06 PM EST

Re: John AND Elizabeth's Hubris (none / 0)

I have no hard feeling towards the Edwards.  They wanted to take a shot at the moon and who could blame them?  Not me.  The affair was over.  


by Spanky on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 02:18:55 PM EST

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This is fucking Hubris

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phjDm05E9 Qw


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by nogo postal on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 04:30:34 PM EST

I am getting really disgusted by Edwards (none / 0)

This story has really got me worked up--
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/09 /john-edwards-false-assert_n_117925.html

I dont care about Edwards affairs; I could not care less about it. I can even tolerate the ``we are a perfect family'' charade. But using money allegedly collected for poverty eradication towards your mistress is just plain sleazy, corrupt and harmful to the very important issue of poverty eradication. I just cannot forgive that one.
   


by ann0nymous on Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 05:46:52 PM EST


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